Joe & Mika: Americans Are Nervous About Fallout From Soleimani Killing


LADIES AND GENTLEMEN — LADIES
AND GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW MY FIRST GUEST TONIGHT IS THE CO-HOST OF
“MORNING JOE” ON MSNBC. PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO “THE LATE
SHOW,” JOE SCARBOROUGH AND MIKA BRZEZINSKI! ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
( BAND PLAYING ) ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
( BAND PLAYING )>>Stephen: WELCOME BACK. WE’VE NOT HAD YOU GUYS HERE FOR
A YEAR AND A HALF. IT’S BEEN TOO LONG. WHAWIVET DOING? WHAT’S BEEN GOING ON IN THE
WORLD? IMPEACHMENT LOOMS.>>WHEN SHE’S READY.>>Stephen: WHEN MRS. PELOSI
IS READY.>>YEAH.>>Stephen: OKAY. SHE SAID SHE’S GOING TO SEND IT
OVER THIS WEEK, THE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT. DO YOU THINK THAT WAS A SMART
THING THAT SHE DID TO HOLD THESE BACK FOR A WHILE?>>I DON’T THINK SHE’S THINKING
ABOUT THAT. I THINK SHE’S DOING WHAT SHE
FELT SHE NEEDED TO DO. IT DID BECOME APPARENT PERHAPS
MR. BOLTON MIGHT SPEAK AND THAT WAS HELPFUL AND OTHER THINGS
MIGHT COME OUT, BUT I DON’T THINK SHE’S LISTENING TO US AND
STRSTRATEGIZING.>>Stephen: I DON’T THINK
SHE’S ASKING FOR OUR OPINION, BUT IT IS A POWER MOVE IN ORDER
TO GET SOMETHING THAT SHE THINKS SHOULD HAPPEN IN THE SENATE
WHICH IS A FAIRER TRIAL. IT IS, I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU IF
YOU HAVE A FAIR TRAIL, RIGHT?>>MM-HMM. AND SHE’S METHODICAL.>>I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT
MOVE. SHE ACTUALLY CREATED SPACE. YOU KNOW, IN SOCCER, YOU TALK
ABOUT MAKING SPACE FOR THE PLAYERS. SHE ACTUALLY MADE SPACE AND, IN
THAT SPACE, REPUBLICANS ACTUALLY GOT A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS. BOLTON, OF COURSE, COMING OUT
SAYING HE COULD TESTIFY. THE LONGER THAT WENT ON, YOU
LOOKED AT THE POLLS, IT SHOWED MORE AND MORE AMERICANS WANTED
TO HEAR THE TESTIMONY. SO NOW WE’RE HEARING TODAY
THERE’S A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU MAY HAVE SOME REPUBLICAN
DEFECTORS IN THE SENATE ACTUALLY DEMANDING THAT THEY HEAR —
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>>Stephen: THAT WOULD BE
GREAT.>>YEAH.>>Stephen: THAT WOULD BE
GREAT. I’LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT.>>RIGHT.>>Stephen: JOE, YOU WROTE AN
OP-ED MO “THE WASHINGTON POST” IN DECEMBER TALKING ABOUT
IMPEACHMENT AND COURAGE. WHO NEEDS THE COURAGE HERE?>>EVERYBODY. I THINK EVERY REPUBLICAN. I ALSO THINK DEMOCRATS, AS FAR
AS UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT THEY’RE DOING IS NOT ABOUT 2020,
WHAT THEY’RE DOING IS ABOUT HISTORY, IT’S ABOUT SENDING A
MESSAGE TO FUTURE PRESIDENTS, IT’S ABOUT SENDING A MESSAGE TO
FUTURE POLITICIANS, AND WHAT I FOUND AT MY VERY LOW LEVEL IN
POLITICS WHEN I WAS IN THE HOUSE THAT, WHEN YOU’RE NOT WORRIED
ABOUT THE NEXT ELECTION, REMARKABLE THINGS HAPPEN. PEOPLE LISTEN TO YOU, PEOPLE
FOLLOW YOU. WHEN THEY DON’T THINK YOU’RE
CALCULATING BUT YOU’RE DOING SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU THINK IT’S
THE RIGHT THING, THEN THEY FOLLOW.>>Stephen: WHO HAS SHOWN
COURAGE SO FAR? EITHER ONE OF YOU HAS THE JUMP
BALL.>>WELL, YOU SEE IT COMING OUT
AT TIMES, BUT THEN –>>Stephen: LIKE A GROUNDHOG
JUST POKING ITS HEAD UP?>>ONCE A YEAR FOR A COUPLE OF
MINUTES.>>YEAH, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN
SOME REPUBLICANS WHO WILL KIND OF GO HALFWAY THERE AND THEN
PULL BACK.>>THAT’S WHAT I DON’T
UNDERSTAND, WHAT JOB IS WORTH SELLING YOUR POLITICAL SOUL FOR? WHAT JOB IS WORTH DOING? ( APPLAUSE )
WHAT SO MANY OF THESE REPUBLICANS ARE AWARE, WHERE YOU
CAN LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING IN REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES,
AND YOU CAN PREDICT WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO DO. IT’S — YEAH, IT’S VERY
DISAPPOINTING.>>Stephen: LET’S TALK ABOUT
IRAN AND THE RECENT SORT OF DESTABILIZING OF THE REGION AND
THE WORLD. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NERVOUS ALL
OVER THE PLACE WHAT’S GOING ON THERE. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR TRUMP?>>WELL, THAT’S A GOOD QUESTION
BECAUSE I INITIALLY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF HIS
MAJOR DEFLECTIONS.>>Stephen: PERHAPS SO WE
WOULDN’T TALK ABOUT IMPEACHMENT?>>WE’VE ALWAYS WONDERED HOW FAR
HE WOULD GO TO DISTRACT FROM WHAT IS GOING ON, AND NOBODY
SEEMED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS THE BASIS FOR THE DECISION,
AND THERE ARE PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, I DIDN’T REALLY HAVE THE
INFORMATION. THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE DID NOT
HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THE BASIS FOR THIS ATTACK BUT TRUSTS
THE PRESIDENT. I MEAN, WE’RE IN CRAZY TOWN AND
IT’S AROUND THE WORLD NOW AND IT’S ADJUSTING OUR ENTIRE PLACE
IN THE WORLD.>>Stephen: AND EVIDENTLY THIS
WAS APPROVED SEVEN MONTHS AGO SO HOW IMMINENT COULD IT HAVE BEEN.>>AND TALKED ABOUT AT THE
PARTIES AT MAR-A-LAGO LIKE SOMETHING BIG IS COMING, GET
READY.>>Stephen: YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN
TO MAR-A-LAGO, RIGHT?>>YEAH.>>Stephen: WHAT’S IT LIKE? NOBODY TOLD ME ANY STATE
SECRETS, HE WASN’T PRESIDENT THEN, THERE WERE NO NORTH KOREAN
BRIEFINGS ON THE 19th GREEN.>>Stephen: DID YOU HEAR
SECRETS OF “THE APPRENTICE,” WHO MIGHT WIN THAT?>>EXACTLY. LOT OF GOOD STUFF. A LOT OF OMAROSA STUFF. ( LAUGHTER )
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FRUSTRATES ME IS YOU HEAR THE
COMMON REFRAIN, WHEN IS DONALD TRUMP GOING TO PAY FOR THIS? WHEN IS HE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL
THE LIES AND THE RECKLESSNESS? THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE PROVEN
HE ALREADY HAS AND HE WILL AGAIN. THE 2018 ELECTION, THERE WAS A
REASON WHY, IN THE HOUSE, REPUBLICANS LOST BY THE LARGEST
VOTE LANDSLIDE IN THE HISTORY OF THE REPUBLIC. IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS —
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>>Stephen: THAT’S A HOPEFUL
IDEA.>>THAT IS A HOPEFUL IDEA. AND ALSO WITH IRAN. I MEAN, YES, PERHAPS DONALD
TRUMP WAS CYNICAL, BUT YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS THAT HAVE COME OUT,
AMERICANS ARE SCARED. THEY’RE NERVOUS ABOUT THIS. ONLY ONE IN FOUR AMERICANS
BELIEVE THAT THE ATTACK ON SOLEIMANI MAKES AMERICA A SAFER
PLACE, AND THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WERE
AGAINST THE STRIKE, REGARDLESS OF THE FACT I THINK MOST
AMERICANS UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WAS A REALLY, REALLY BAD GUY BUT
SO WAS KIM JONG UN, SO IS ASSAD. THERE ARE A LOT OF REALLY BAD
GUYS ON EARTH WHO –>>Stephen: THAT’S WHAT STRUCK
ME ABOUT IT IS, YES, I’M NOT ARGUING WHETHER SOLEIMANI WAS,
YOU KNOW, A GOOD PERSON OR A BAD PERSON. I TRUST ALL THE THINGS PEOPLE
SAY ABOUT SOLEIMANI ARE ACCURATE BECAUSE THEY’RE COMING FROM ALL
SIDES, BUT I SORT OF AMMO FENDED THAT THEY’RE NOT ACTUALLY TRYING
TO GET THEIR LIES IN ORDER AND PUT A UNIFIED FACE ON THE LIE.>>THEY’RE NOT EVEN TRYING
ANYMORE.>>Stephen: WHAT SAYS TO ME WE
DON’T MATTER, OUR OPINION DOESN’T MATTER ABOUT WHAT THEY
DO, THAT I’M INSULTED AS AN AMERICAN. AS A CATHOLIC, I PUT MY DOLLAR
IN THE COLLECTION PLATE, I WANT TO SEE GOLD LEAF ON THE WALLS. AS AN AMERICAN I PAY MY TAXES
AND I WANT THEM TO PUT SOME ENERGY INTO IT. ( APPLAUSE )
>>THEY STARTED BY SAYING IT WAS IMMINENT. LAST SUNDAY, POMPEO SAID THIS
WAS A BAD GUY, DOESN’T MATTER IF IT WAS IMMINENT OR NOT. THEN THE TRUMP DEFENDERS IN THE
PAPER AND THE PRESS STARTED DOING THE SAME THING. THEN THIS PAST SUNDAY THE STORY
CHANGES AND WE HEAR THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR SEVEN
MONTHS, SO, AGAIN, IF YOU BELIEVE KILLING ONE OF THE
CENTRAL FIGURES IN THE MIDDLE EAST OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS IS
CRITICAL TO AMERICA’S NATIONAL SECURITY, OKAY, MAKE THE
ARGUMENT, EXPLAIN TO US WHY, BUT THEY HAVEN’T DONE THAT, AND
THAT’S WHY THIS IS SO DANGEROUS. IT’S SO AD HOC. AGAIN, LISTEN, KIM JONG UN’S A
BAD GUY, IS HE NEXT ON THE KILL LIST? IS ASSAD NEXT ON THE KILL LIST? HE KILLED 500,000 PEOPLE. SADDAM KILLED A LOT OF ARABS,
KILLED MORE ARABS THAN ANYBODY ELSE, TAKING HIM OFF THE EARTH
HASN’T EXACTLY STABILIZED THE REGION ANYMORE THAN KILLING
GADHAFI HAS. SO, AGAIN, GIVE US YOUR
JUSTIFICATION. THE FACT THAT THEY DON’T EVEN
TRY, THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN’T EVEN TRY, THE REPUBLICANS DON’T
EVEN TRY IS, YEAH, IT’S DEEPLY CONCERNING BECAUSE WHAT’S NEXT?>>Stephen: FOLKS, WE’VE GOT
TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK. PLEASE DON’T GO ANYWHERE. BACK WITH MORE OF JOE
SCARBOROUGH AND MIKA BRZEZINSKI. SHE’S GOT A BOOK!

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